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Tyre Geezer 
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 Topic: Some exciting new tyres
Posted: 23 March 2012 at 22:20 |
well, we've had some interesting days and today saw the culmination of some hard work and lots of testing.
Continental have now released their new Race Attack Comp tyres and the results have been awesome. CSS have now fully changed all their bikes onto these new tyres and will be using them for the remainder of this year at least - excellent news.
Plus, we did some more tests today while at Cadwell Park. Put a pair onto an R6 for one of the club racers and sent him off to play. The end result was that he took 2 seconds off his best ever lap time, which he posted in the height of summer last year. The tyres remained in shape, did not tear up, got up to heat quickly, scrubbed in from hew in 2 laps, no tearing and superb grip, feel and feedback. Amazing!
I need to work out what the price is going to be, but, I can confirm that they will be competitively priced and will definately be less than Racetecs, Supercorsas, Power Ones and R10s, without compromising on quality either. I genuinely think these are going to be exciting tyres and will do some fantastic things.
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Posted: 23 March 2012 at 22:43 |
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I have had a problem with my Dunlop GP211 racers with the rear tearing, I am getting my suspension set up for me but I believe this is a common problem with the Dunlop, was at Brands Wednesday this week and saw some Dunlops there the same. Might be looking to change to something else so would be interested in some more info. Ive got an 05 R1. Steve
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 08:51 |
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I was at silverstone with CSS on Monday and noticed they were using them but forgot to ask what they were like? Good to hear they are a decent tyre.
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 09:06 |
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I have had a problem with my Dunlop GP211 racers with the rear tearing, I am getting my suspension set up for me but I believe this is a common problem with the Dunlop, was at Brands Wednesday this week and saw some Dunlops there the same. Might be looking to change to something else so would be interested in some more info. Ive got an 05 R1. Steve |
Yep, an all too familiar story I'm afraid. Don't get me wrong, Dunlop's are excellent tyres in general, but, they do have this recurring tearing problem which we're seeing more frequently these days.
However, the Continental are certainly available for your R1 as they make a 190/55X17 rear. The recommendation is to go for an endurance rear and medium front, to give the optimum response from the tyres. A pair of these are very inexpensive at only £255. I am very impressed with them and would strongly suggest trying them.
Pressure would need to be set depending on your weight, group, use of warmers, etc. But, we can go through it all with you as and when you're using them. 
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 09:41 |
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how much for a pair of 120/70 180/55 in same compounds? Also does price change according to compound or stay same? cheers
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 12:07 |
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Out of curiosity Stef what lap time did the club racer start and end with? Are these tyres aiming to compete with pirelli/metzeler?
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 12:18 |
Dr.Jones wrote:
how much for a pair of 120/70 180/55 in same compounds? Also does price change according to compound or stay same? cheers |
No change in price due to compound variation, so a 120/70 & 180/55 pair would be £250. I'd suggest medium compounds if you're going with compound matches.
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 12:22 |
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Out of curiosity Stef what lap time did the club racer start and end with? Are these tyres aiming to compete with pirelli/metzeler?
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Pete, he started at 1.42 and ended up with a 1.40 and was really excited by how they worked. The tyres were so clean after some hard abuse, I was really, really impressed.
These are designed to go head to head with the Pirelli/Metzeler as they've been designed and dveloped by the same bloke who designed and developed the Racetecs. He started off at Continental, went to Pirelli (got poached) and has now been enticed back to Continental where he's heading the development and design team. Plus, they will also go up against the Michelin Power Cup, Bridgestone R10 and others of the same genre.
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 13:32 |
ballbag racer wrote:
I was at silverstone with CSS on Monday and noticed they were using them but forgot to ask what they were like? Good to hear they are a decent tyre. |
I was there too doing Level 1 John my Instructor said it was the 1st time he'd used the tyres and he was impressed and they looked in really good condition at the end of the day and he was using the endurance rear compound.
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 13:34 |
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I had the old ones on my cbr I'd be up for some for the r6 when am ready.
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 14:00 |
Tyre Geezer wrote:
The end result was that he took 2 seconds off his best ever lap time, which he posted in the height of summer last year.
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I presume that lap time last summer was accomplished on a nice new racetec or supercorsa or equivalent?
If that is the case then 2 seconds a lap is literally unbeleivable, as in i dont believe it 
If im wrong, and its happened before, and continental (who as far as im aware have no experience producing these kind of tyres) has pulled off the incredible by giving us a tyre superior to old favourites like pirelli and metzeler and at a cheaper price then i'll be the first in line.
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 14:03 |
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I now have a tyre related hard-on.
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 14:13 |
cowboyjon wrote:
If that is the case then 2 seconds a lap is literally unbeleivable, as in i dont believe it |
Call me a pedant, but those 2 words should never be used together
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 16:52 |
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i used to run a continental supermoto tyre on one of my old sm bikes and it was really good TBH, did road riding and some 3 sisters/rowrah track days on it - hopefully these are as good as they sound
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 18:59 |
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I think Id rather pay the extra £15 and have a set of Interacts
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 19:06 |
Dirk Diggler wrote:
I think Id rather pay the extra £15 and have a set of Interacts
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+1 fantastic tyres
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 19:10 |
cowboyjon wrote:
I presume that lap time last summer was accomplished on a nice new racetec or supercorsa or equivalent?
If that is the case then 2 seconds a lap is literally unbeleivable, as in i dont believe it
If im wrong, and its happened before, and continental (who as far as im aware have no experience producing these kind of tyres) has pulled off the incredible by giving us a tyre superior to old favourites like pirelli and metzeler and at a cheaper price then i'll be the first in line.
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These tyres are racing and winning in Germany. Continental are a superb tyre manufacturer and have many years experience in producing race tyres for bikes, cars and off roaders. So, their pedigree speaks for itself. Sure, the old favourites are still excellent tyres and I'll gladly take your money for these  but, these truly are brand new and superb. As I posted above, they've been developed by the same person who developed the racetec, so the groundwork has already been done.
Dean ran a direct comparison between his new Racetec, producing the same bhp on the same bike in near identical conditions, the Continental was used in the same conditions and he genuinely brought his lap time down by 2 seconds.
I need to find out the names of the racers in Germany and their series that they're winning in, then you guys can see for yourselves how good these tyres are. As soon as I find out, I'll let you know.
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 19:45 |
Dirk Diggler wrote:
I think Id rather pay the extra £15 and have a set of Interacts
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You'll get Interacts for 250 all in. Prices have dropped.
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Posted: 24 March 2012 at 20:33 |
Viking wrote:
Dirk Diggler wrote:
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You'll get Interacts for 250 all in. Prices have dropped. |
Where ?
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Posted: 25 March 2012 at 21:06 |
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Stef I don't suppose you're at Cadwell this Saturday with no limits? I'd be up for trying some part worns, but have no money for new rubber! Cheers.
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Posted: 25 March 2012 at 21:08 |
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Stef I don't suppose you're at Cadwell this Saturday with no limits? I'd be up for trying some part worns, but have no money for new rubber! Cheers. |
Yes Pete, I'll be there. Let me know what you need and I'll see what I can sort for you mate.
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Posted: 25 March 2012 at 22:08 |
Hey Tyre Geezer, wondering if you are going to be at Anglesey on the 8th of April?
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Posted: 25 March 2012 at 22:10 |
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Hey Tyre Geezer, wondering if you are going to be at Anglesey on the 8th of April?
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Nope, my passport's out of date, so I'm not allowed to go "foreign" 
Actually, I don't do Angelsey as it's too far to go for a day's work. But, if you need something specific, give me a ring and I can send to you. There will be someone there, who I know is really good but not as good as me....obviously.
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Posted: 25 March 2012 at 22:32 |
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Remember guys change make of tyre and you often need to change suspension settings especially pirelli to dunlop for instance. most poor tyre wear is due to setup.
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Posted: 25 March 2012 at 22:43 |
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Remember guys change make of tyre and you often need to change suspension settings especially pirelli to dunlop for instance. most poor tyre wear is due to setup. |
How very true ...was quite confused with the wear i had till someone told me to to take a touch of rebound out for the pirelli when coming off some dunlops, soon cleaned up tho. those Continental's sound intreasting though stef
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Posted: 25 March 2012 at 22:45 |
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Posted: 26 March 2012 at 02:09 |
Have a look here. Bottom of the thread. Maybe Tinkling can sort you out. http://www.trackdayriders.co.uk/tdr/forum/topic23854.html
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Posted: 26 March 2012 at 10:03 |
I think it's great that other companies are bringing out new tyre types , although i do feel that they need more time in the UK with the quick boys before we can celebrate the coming of the best thing since sliced bread and until that time they should be even cheaper in aid to get more people using them. No offence to your club rider doing 1.42 at Cadwell ( far quicker then i could ever do ) but it's a mile away from what others are doing on the better known tried & tested makes as an example last year i helped young Tommy in T3 who posted a new T3 lap record of 1.33.5 on Interacts,if i was to say try these new things a racer done 1.42 on them and CSS use them he would rightly tell me to f*ck off. But hey everything has to start somewhere i guess so good luck to them and no doubt if the price is kept down more will give them ago and they will be a hit or in a skip.
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Posted: 26 March 2012 at 19:39 |
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Was thinking the same myself, going from a 1.42 to 1.40 in my opinion would hardly have anything to do with the tyre.
Good riders at lap record breaking pace info I would believe regards times brought down by the tyres.
Still good to know someone else bringing a tyre out to try, interested in if the wear rates were good too.
David
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Posted: 26 March 2012 at 20:26 |
don,t know what year r6 that was on , but i believe the pre injection 600 lap record for cadwell was around 1.38.00 . thats on a 5eb carbs model , although admittedly with 125 bhp at the rear wheel . i know that the current spec of 600 race bikes are lapping quicker as the guy said above but speed is relative to what your on to an extent . in my opinion most non racing experience trackdayers who i,ve met don,t get sub 1.42 very often . and the amount of optimism i,ve heard on lap times is unbelievable , especially when you do have the pleasure to witness a competent club racer / rider out there instantly going a couple of seconds quicker on the same kit . so those lap times would be more than competent (and faster than me) for trackdayers and it sounds like the tyres are definitely worth a look for trackdays. out of interest i,ve been running the 211 ntecs and when i made an advised rear suspension adjustment the wear got instantly better on the rear and i like the tyres . don,t suppose you have any part worn 211 ntec rears do you stef 180/55/ ???
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Posted: 27 March 2012 at 20:31 |
sorry for the lack of replies, I've been on track!
Right then, Omen, I see where you're coming from dude, but, these tyres are winning in Germany in their equivalent superstock series, so they're not going to be gash tyres. Everything "tried and tested" started off as something new and exciting once and wouldn't be in existence today if nobody took a punt on them. Plus, if you guys go back to this time last year, nobody wanted to go anywhere near the Bridgestone R10 - now it turns out that everybody wants them and strangely enough the prices have shot up this year from Bridgestone.
2stop, the bike is a 2011 exSuperstock bike and the rider is a fast group/club racer. However, he's categorically stated that the tyres have had a direct impact on his lap times and the new tyres were the only change on the bike, no suspension set up changes or anything else has been done. So, it's kind of obvious that they're not shabby.
Tinkling is correct, the suspension set up does need to be altered on changing from some tyres. But, if you're running Racetecs, Supercorsas, R10s or Power Ones/Cups, you are "unlikely" to need to change anything. However, it's always worth speaking to a suspension expert and get their opinion on what needs to be done to suit you and your bike.
All in all, I'm quite confident that these are excellent tyres and can only give you my opinion as a tyre bloke. However, all I can say is "try them" and see what you think. At the very worst case, you'll have bought a new pair of tyres, used them and enjoyed riding and then changed back to what you're used to IF you don't like them. I can't say that everyone will love them, that would be rash of me, I can only go on the feedback we've got so far and the results from the tests and technical specifications.
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Posted: 27 March 2012 at 20:49 |
A very bold set of claims! Not really a fair test based on last years times. Only a fair test if its against tyres on the same day with no difference in track conditions and rider uses all the tyres at least twice and he or she doesn't suffer as they get tired no pun intended. The fact CSS use them is probably because they get them free.
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Posted: 27 March 2012 at 21:40 |
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for me the bottom line is try them and you might be surprised.. i have tried a few different tyres last year, racetecs, bridgestone slicks, dunlops and to be very honest i couldnt really tell that much difference. I was doing 1.37s at the end of last year and was out with 2stop when I was out on slicks, leaving black lines everywhere and feeling little drift apart from when coming out of chris. i reflect on earlier that year on the same tyres doing alot slower times, also the year previous doing 1.45s, and the year before that doing 1.37s on my trust R6 on interacts. I can feel what tyres are doing, when they drift and slide and when I am on the edge of what I think is traction, what I can say for certain is that i don't know if its the different tyres I have used or my different inputs from the bike that cause things to happen. i think you have to be a reasonable rider doing CONSISTENT fast times etc to find the real qualities of a tyre
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Posted: 27 March 2012 at 21:44 |
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A very bold set of claims!Not really a fair test based on last years times. Only a fair test if its against tyres on the same day with no difference in track conditions and rider uses all the tyres at least twice and he or she doesn't suffer as they get tired no pun intended. The fact CSS use them is probably because they get them free.
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Posted: 27 March 2012 at 21:52 |
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do you know wot the prices are going to be ? ive run the Race Attack endurance for 2 years and found them out standing bits of rubber and cheaper than most other
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Posted: 28 March 2012 at 08:00 |
Tyre Geezer wrote:
sorry for the lack of replies, I've been on track!
Right then, Omen, I see where you're coming from dude, but, these tyres are winning in Germany in their equivalent superstock series, so they're not going to be gash tyres. Everything "tried and tested" started off as something new and exciting once and wouldn't be in existence today if nobody took a punt on them. Plus, if you guys go back to this time last year, nobody wanted to go anywhere near the Bridgestone R10 - now it turns out that everybody wants them and strangely enough the prices have shot up this year from Bridgestone.
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As i said " But hey everything has to start somewhere i guess so good luck to them"
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Posted: 28 March 2012 at 12:16 |
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I'm gonna be giving them a go on my Minitwin as soon as they are available. Will let you know what I think :)
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Posted: 28 March 2012 at 13:57 |
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I'm gonna be giving them a go on my Minitwin as soon as they are available. Will let you know what I think :)
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Posted: 28 March 2012 at 14:05 |
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do you know wot the prices are going to be ? ive run the Race Attack endurance for 2 years and found them out standing bits of rubber and cheaper than most other
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Yes mate, on track prices will be £245.00 per pair, irrespective of whether you're running 180/55, 190/50 or 190/55 rears. These prices will include fitting and balancing onto loose wheels from us.
So, you can see that they are a cost effective option. I've also received all the blurb through about who's racing on them in Germany, I just need to trawl through it and then I'll post up who's doing what. But, it won't be until later on this evening.
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Posted: 28 March 2012 at 15:13 |
Tyre Geezer wrote:
the suspension set up does need to be altered on changing from some tyres. But, if you're running Racetecs, Supercorsas, R10s or Power Ones/Cups, you are "unlikely" to need to change anything. |
These tyres run different setups already. Bridgestones and Michelins both have harder carcasses than Metz/Pirelli, so to say you can throw Continentals on an it's unlikely you'll need to make any changes is unrealistic. Nevermind swapping between tyre manufacturers and not changing setup, even using the same tyres you will often change setup here and there depending on track and weather condtions. Also, as has been said, from a 1:42 to a 1:40 is entirely possible by nothing more than placebo effect of having new rubber and feeling good because you've been asked to test tyres out. To have a few stock lads(or lasses) lapping consistent 34's and 35's on Pirellis and Metzelers, who clearly have excellent feel and good setups, jump onto some Conts and compare over some time, playing with setup, would be a far better test, and something that would hold much more value to you in the promotion of these tyres i think. I would presume that the kind of guys you like to buy tyres off you are the racers, as they spend a vast amount more, in which case the guys you need to prove the conts worth to are the guys lapping at least in the 30 somethings at Cadwell. The reason i am thinking this is because a decent rider could whack a set of decent touring tyres onto an R6 and lap 40's, but there will be a limit where you do need the better rubber to get to the 35's for example. I'm not writing these off, i know only what i've read in here. Don't thinnk i am writing them off, but i think it's far too early to say that these can compete against the current crop of rubber available. I have taken on board what you've said about the German boys winning on them and would be keen to hear about specifics there. Keen to hear more and not judging too much yet, don't think I am  Bongo
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